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Wednesday, August 8, 2007

Discuss: NYIIFVF Still Fleecing Filmmakers?

Why is the New York International Independent Film and Video Festival still in business?  No festival has a worse reputation that I know of.  How can they get away with charging 300 to 400 bucks per entry fee? Are there that many filmmakers out there desperate to have a New York screening? Apparently so – 273 of them, according to the fest.  Recently, The Reeler slammed it, adding to the mountain of negative press from The Village Voice, indieWIRE, and Filmmaker Mag. It all says the same thing, every year.  And they must know it’s coming.  One journalist I know of was threatened if his coverage wasn’t rosy.  And it wasn’t.

Has anyone out there had experiences – good and bad – with the NYIIFVF?  (Mike Jones)

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I attended the NYIIFVF 2008 festival and found it a very enjoyable experience. Someone had approached my fiance and I to watch their independent comedy film and convinced us it would be very good. So we went to the show and saw a 3/4 packed house and I thought the film was very funny and really well done but I haven''''t seen it sold anywhere? I''''d like to buy it. I would go to this festival again to see independent films. Not sure about the fees you spoke of in the article. I paid about $10 for a ticket.

oops.. my film also selected for this festival.. lot of follow ups till they got our 300$ entry fee.. too much..
i am going to attend .. extra spending money for flight and stay .. only hope to market my film .. this is a try.. already attended many class international film festivals and enjoyed the perfect handlying of film festivals..
Let c this year ..what they are going to do.. i heard for marketing the film again we have to pay for 1000$.. I pray god i should not be fooled with this festival..

There are a lot of DVDs (past and current) in the video stores with this festival’s laurels on the box art. Yes, some films that have screened in the festival do get picked up by distributors. That’s the case with festivals in general, some films get distribution, some don’t—depends on the film. Not in turn after Valley of Angels NYIIFVF premiere (award winner), Peace Arch picked up the film for domestic distribution. Whereas, The Mysteries of Pittsburgh, a film that premiered at the 2008 Sundance Film Festival, was only just picked up for domestic distribution by Peace Arch, as well.

If the NYIIFVF laurels are good enough for major distributors to use on the film’s box art in Blockbuster, etc., then I say it’s ok. In the end, you want distribution for your film, not just an extensive 50 festival run.

Those of you who had a good experience, how did your film do later?

Most programmers I know won't program a film if it has the NYIIFVF laurels on it. Just as certain brands mean quality, certain brands mean the exact opposite.

NYIIFVF means a lack of quality.

i’m a cinema studies major and student filmmaker in ny. i attended the last nyiifvf because my friend and i had a short film that played in the fest. we had a packed screening with standing room only at the village east, which is a nice hip indie theatre. the fest staff was pretty cool, not hoity toity. also i attended a luncheon hosted by abel ferrara and a seminar panel hosted by abel and michael madsen. abel gave me much needed advice about filmmaking. the all around vibe was very indie and it was refreshing to see filmmakers passionate about their films and having film enthusiasts at the venue and NOT just random people wondering around, texting/ looking to crash the next party and those stupid gifting suites that detract from the real purpose of a film fest like those other fests. the nyiifvf is about REAL independent films produced by REAL people, NOT so called $15 million dollar “studio independent” films, NOT about red rope parties for the A list, not about scoring free swag, not about party crashers spending the whole week trying to get on the lists for the “hot” parties. most fests in the usa only care about star power and pretension, I should know because i’ve attended a lot in the city and i find myself rolling my eyes at the star power line up and the politics, the egos and people who are at the fests and have no reason for being there like paris hilton running around w/ her swag. The nyiifvf gives filmmakers a chance even if they don’t have a-listers in the films, pretty much like my project. hey, my student film is decent, i have realistic expectations and i know i’m not scorsese. being a student filmmaker, i highly recommend the nyiifvf to other student filmmakers.

The NYIIFV has helped my career out a lot. I have been represented by them since 2006. Not only did they help get my movies screened in New York, Los Angeles, and Cannes, But ITN Distribution sold two of my films. And I received money for both movies. Stuart, the president of ITN, also helped me raise money for one of my projects. Those who have a bad experience are usually have no idea what they are doing. NYIIFV is a great place for people like myself who needed help breaking into the business. But since working with them, I made two more feature length movies and 26 episodes to a TV series. Has anyone tried to book a theater by themselves. It is a lot more expensive than $300. I book theaters in LA, SF, and NY all the time. NYIIFV still gets the best deal.
It is easy for you Michael Jones, you work for Variety. But most people don't. Just because you think that you are so much better than everyone, does not give you the right to throw stones at this festival.

New York Film Festival we attend every year and found the festival team to be very helpful and supportive. Now the theres lots of people out there doing other festivals that we used to attend and they all took your money and ran.. We have met contacts got distribution deals and made lots of friends there. I dont think they are any of these things that are badly said. They are giving you the door and its up to you to do when you get inside.

Thanks for all your help NYFV

Jeff Conley

Just got a call from the people of the festival, it was a very nice lady but the conversation had a lot of elements, tricks of a sales person. At the very last moment when she finished about how great her festival was and about how much exposure you'll get around the world, she mentioned the 300$ entry fee. She also had a strange accent clearly non American... and the kept calling me "my dear" which started to irritate me very much. After the call I checked the website again and found a spelling error "Independant Film and Video Festival" You also don't need to be a web designer to notice that their website is very amateur-like (check the hilarious photo gallery). There's also nothing about their rules and regulations online, they said they would send it by mail, which seems like a very shady thing to me... They also did not know the Transmediale festival in Berlin where I was also selected (biggest new media fest int.) To be honest I could smell the hoax from a mile away...

The way this one seems to work is that you're essentially paying $300-400 for a NY screening - which, if you think about it, isn't that steep a price. The 48 Hour Film Project works the same way, but on a local level. You pay your entry fee and if you finish on time, you get your local screening, plus a chance to win prizes. But it’s not like you’re going to win fame and fortune from it.

The biggest problem with this particular fest is that, if you don't have NY contacts or a way to promote yourself and your film and therefore put asses in the seats, you'll pay your money for a screening that nobody goes to.

Thing is......lots and lots of festivals - yep, even the legit ones - don't even watch our entries all the way through. So as long as filmmakers buy into the idea that exposure/commercial success is the only acceptable end result of making films, film festivals will continue to make money off the dreamers and promote only "the selected" few.

Do your homework before you submit. Don't use money you need to pay rent to submit. Keep making movies.

Peace out.

I just had my film debut in the Sept 08 edition of the NYIIFVF festival in NYC and I had a wonderful time. The event was very well organized the the staff was very helpful and courteous to me and my film was only a short. Now, it is true that this was my first showing at a festival and for all I know, other festivals may be better somehow. But my experience was wonderful and I must say that anytime I had a question about anything I needed to know, the festival''s staff responded to me immediately.

I can only imagine how expensive it must be to rent out a theater in Manhattan plus pay their staff and all the other things that goes into putting on a festival like this so, the entry fee seems reasonable to me. How other festivals go about doing the same for less is a mystery to me but at the same time, not my concern. My only concern is getting my film seen by the right audience and in the right place, and that DID happen in this case... I have no complaints.

Hi, I have submitted my movie just about 4 days ago. The shipment costs for me were huge as I live in Europe. Moreover, I was amazed by the fact that the screening format must be in NTSC which is typical of USA, however in Europe the sysem used is PAl. The festival is called international...which is strange....
The thingthat interests me the most is the music used in these films that are submitted by various authors- like me.
Could you tell me if you have ever heard about any problems that a filmer had becouse of lack of rights for using music in his films (after submitting his films). What I mean is, what happens if I used songs in my film for which I do not have any rights. What can I do to avoid any problems? Shoukld I write the names of the songs authors in the film? Or simply have their approval? Help me please

The event is terrible, it's a bunch of amateur event organisers who think they are Hollywood stars putting on some incredible show... It's the worst event I've ever been to, if you think it was 'fantastic' then I guess you haven't been to many film events before. For international filmmakers the website and photos are very deceiving, it's by no means the biggest independent film festival in the world, and they dazzle you with Hollywood Megastars names who apparently have had their work screened at the event, no one ever sees them at the festival so what's the deal? This is a true story, we were at the theatre on Sunset waiting for a film screening to commence when Leonardo DiCaprio walks past and goes into another theatre to see a real commercial movie, nothing related to the festival. Then a few days later I see the NYIIFVF has posted on their website this huge fuss about Leonardo Dicaprio being at their event. Comon guys, do a little better then that. The biggest name they could get at the event was Burt Young (Rocky), but the guy was only there to hopefully sell some of his artwork, and he told me how embarrassing it was for him to even be associated with such a disgraceful event. It's really really shocking, why do you think IMDB refuse NYIIFVF films in their database? Because NYIIFVF include films that are terrible, as long as they get your $300 entry fee, they'll run your film, that's no exaggeration. I am embarrassed to put the award from the NYIIFVF next to my name, because I feel it's a cheat.

I got accepted to the film festival. Will let you all know how it went after its over. By the way, I think this is more of a buy sale film festival that the traditional ones. There seems to be a lot of money moving, but they are still in Business so I think they are ok....maybe???!!

I have experience the festival with my feature film. It was not just a festival it was a event. the whole seven days was fun. I met lots of people and had a great experience. I got good feed back. I also place my feature film with thier sister company (ITN distribution)My film was sold. They are a giant company that really helps filmmakers. I have submitted to lots of other festival for $25 and $35. Most of them I never heard from them again. The NYIIFVF was on the ball. Great expeience! Would do it again and again. MY experience was great. People need to take in to note that this festival been around a long time. They must be doing something right. Tim Follins itsazrwllgood200379@aol.com

My documentary played at the NYIIFVF in Los Angeles in 2006 and I had a great experience. I think all the speculation around this festival is based on two or three people questioning the submission fee of $300 or $400, and then this snowballing into rumors and speculation. I found the fee, which is refundable if your film is not accepted, to be much fairer than paying $50 or $75 to a festival which does not refund your fee, and will probably screen primarily studio backed films with big stars at their fest. Because of NYIIFVF, my film played at a major LA theater, the auditorium was about half full, and I had a great time. I met a few industry people after screening which I thought was a bonus. After I paid my fee, and my film was reviewed, I got a call from one of the folks at NYIIFVF who gave me some comments (basically about my editing) which I used to improve the film. I also watched several other films at the festival and saw everything from very good to kind of hard to watch (the one that was hard to watch was a feature that went on for way too long and the acting was terrible, but it had good stunts). Most of the films I saw were quality, especially the shorts. As far as all the talk about scams, the entire festival system is bordering on a scam. Tens of thousands of submissions for each of the big festivals times $50 or $75 fee and a large percentage of the films at the big festivals have big time actors and studios behind them, that sounds kind of like a scam to me. Did I really hear that the Olson Twins film premiered at Tribeca? I don’t think any filmmakers are getting fleeced by NYIIFVF. Everyone who is paying the fee is doing a cost analysis between submitting to 6 festivals and probably getting turned down and losing their $300 or submitting to NYIIFVF for $300 and either getting shown or getting your $300 refunded—sounds like a good gamble to me. However, I think it would be great if the NYIIFVF (and all the festivals) posted somewhere how many films they accept and reject, this would probably resolve the entire issue.

I'm a writer for a short film that was recently screened at the festival in L.A., and while we did receive a solid feedback from audience members, and some of the other shorts and documentaries I saw were interesting, I was shocked to discover the submission fee only recently (again, I'm just a screenwriter). $300 sounds like an awful lot of money for such a fee. And I was told that I was lucky that our movie was backed by an interesting line-up, because some of the other films that played on other days were dreadful. Live in and learn, but I told the director and producer (who came up with the fee) to be a little more cautious in the future since we're having great luck getting into many other film festivals with submission fees that are nowhere near as high. Seriously, I like what I wrote, but even I wouldn't shell out $300 for the world to view it.

also because I complained about the event and the fact that my film should have won a better award because the content that was screened was b-grade they threatened to take my award from me. Stuart Alson is the man behind the event, I think the entry fee pays for him and his girls to jet around state to state.

the NYIIFVF is a scam! I have had an absolute nightmare dealing with these people, I was part of the 2007 festival. The event was appalling, firstly it cost me $300 USD to submit the film, and I now figure that they don't even look at the films, they wait for a certain amount of submissions then close it off. They wouldn't stop chasing me up for the $300, the communication was great, then soon as I paid them that was it. No contact, 6 months later and I still haven't got my award, and now they are saying there won't be an awards ceremony for us. DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH NYIIFVF, they are liars and put on a shocking event, they didn't take care of us as filmmakers, even though I had come half way around the world by myself, they didn't give a rip. The event organisers should be put behind bars for this, they are dishonest and a disgrace to society, I have nothing good to say about them, they have lied to me from day 1 and I feel hugely ripped off!

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